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Год назад мы выставили на продажу нашу дачу. Она у нас в престижном (как принято говорить) районе Подмосковья, в коттеджном поселке, заросшем лесом, где никакого беспокоящего строительства на километры вокруг. Тишь да гладь. Надежная охрана, московские телефоны, центральная канализация и т.д и т.п., всё в поселке функционировало, как часы.

За все это время был один показ, хотя дважды снижали цену. Не интересуются. Сейчас решил я посмотреть в базе ЦИАН аналогичные объекты в окрестностях, чтобы понять, может, цена завышена или в чем дело.

И обнаружил: весь наш поселок продается. Не весь, конечно, но очень многие дома. В том числе и наши соседи со всех сторон. Даже интересно было: объявления-то с фотографиями. Увидели с женой, наконец, что внутри всех этих домов, что там за участки за высокими заборами. Грустно: люди-то строили для поколений, все продумывали, приспосабливали для детей, стариков, и так далее, цветы разводили. Жили в общем-то за городом все постоянно, на работу ездили. Люди примерно одного достатка. И вот - дружно решили сняться и уехать.

Вообще жуткое впечатление. Одно дело, когда ты один продаешь свой дом. Мало ли какие обстоятельства личные. Но когда вот так наглядно видишь, что целый общественный слой, и не абстрактный какой-то, а люди, которых ты отлично знаешь, вдруг растворяется в неизвестности, становится не по себе как-то.

Что это было, эти так называемые "тучные годы"? Что-то вроде нэпа, наверное. Предприниматели строили бизнесы, врастали в землю, обрастали бытом и в общем-то связывали свое будущее со своей страной. Не понимая, что отпущено им несколько лет. А потом вдруг режим решил, что и сам справится, без всех этих "лавочников". И всё, наступила новая эпоха. Моментально это произошло, за пару лет буквально.

Масштаб катастрофы я осознал, именно глядя на наш несчастный поселок, виртуально гуляя по пустым комнатам соседских домов. А ведь это всеобщая катастрофа. Пока не все понимают масштабы произошедшего, но всё уже произошло. Средний класс понял, пришла очередь другим понять. Конец эпохи. Не смена неких сытных лет на менее тучные, а именно большая и жирная точка.
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Date: 2016-01-09 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercator99.livejournal.com
Люди ощущают приближение конца. Главное - пугающая неопределенность.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radonezhskij.livejournal.com
Уточню: умные люди ощущают приближение конца.
Зомби предвкушают счастье из телевизора.
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Date: 2016-01-09 05:25 pm (UTC)
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Большое и жирное многоточие. Ибо что-то мне говорит, что грядут перемены. И очень большие.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avmalgin.livejournal.com
Да-да, после нэпа были перемены. Очень большие.

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Как печально...
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From: [identity profile] woolfs.livejournal.com
Image

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] observer-l.livejournal.com
Скоро в эти дома въедут Гиркины и Моторолы c Гиви.
Люди это подсознательно чувствуют и стараются хоть что-то получить, но ...
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Date: 2016-01-09 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arhivistka.livejournal.com
Скорее, ФСБшники и ФСКНщики среднего звена - новый российский средний класс.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mancunian.livejournal.com
Я так понимаю, вы снижали рублевые цены?

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avmalgin.livejournal.com
Неважно, что я снижал. Пост не об этом.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:32 pm (UTC)
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Да, жутко((

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Date: 2016-01-09 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telesyk.livejournal.com
Пол-Донецка так выглядит. То, что уцелело.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow7d.livejournal.com
Не думаю, что все так мрачно. В принципе есть положительная динамика: если год назад крымнаш и даунбас было еще серьезно, то сейчас это тухлая шутка. Через год об этом уже не вспомнят. Сирия не сможет решить ни одной проблемы путина, так что с развалом экономики он полюбому скоро столкнется. Но проблемы экономики в конце концов решаемы. Политических репрессий какихлибо серьезных не будет. Время утеряно.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mancunian.livejournal.com
Да? А как они "решаемы"? Все "проблемы экономики" СССР/РФ последние 50 лет решались одним способом - подъемом цен на нефть (70е, 00е). Этого не случится в этот раз.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] Виктор Пермяков (from livejournal.com)
И Варламов что-то замолчал о своей мечте построить дом в лесу...

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Date: 2016-01-09 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yorgan.livejournal.com
Он все ждет доллар по 41руб., вы же "запомнили этот твит"?

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusanalit.livejournal.com
Средний класс понял в декабре 2011.

Остальным понадобится лет 5.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oude-rus.livejournal.com
в сентябре 2011го.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:42 pm (UTC)
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Интересно, наступит ли время, когда будет ясно, что с НЭПами покончено и врастать можно навсегда?

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] z-zwang.livejournal.com
вы про участок 2х2 говорите?

так это "никогда не поздно успеть" (с)

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andreistp.livejournal.com
успешные люди России
90-е - урки и бандиты
конец 90-х - бизнесмены
с 2005 - чиновники и военные

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kvas777.livejournal.com
Это все одни и те же люди.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kovudragon.livejournal.com
Дачи сейчас продают в первую очередь. Машина для работы нужна, а квартира - это последнее, что будут разменивать.
Предложений очень много. Цена на участки очень сильно упала и при этом спроса почти нет.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avmalgin.livejournal.com
1. Цена на участки перестала зависеть от спроса.
2. Квартирный рынок уже вошел в ту же стадию распада.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:46 pm (UTC)
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Как раз сегодня, читая "Потерянная Россия" Александра Федоровича Керенского, обратил внимание на эту выдержку:

"...борьба против диктатуры на хозяйственном фронте выражается прежде всего в восстановлении хозяйственного благополучия среднего человека, в подъеме его жизненного уровня, ибо средний хозяйствующий человек представляет собой большинство всякой страны и на нем одном покоится демократический порядок. Вот почему, кстати сказать, Сталин, защищая партийную диктатуру против неизбежных политических следствий хозяйственной эволюции нэпа, должен был взорвать самый нэп и под видом пятилетнего плана «социалистического строительства» подвергнуть всю страну режиму принудительной нищеты."

История повторяется,так что, судя по всему, нас снова ждут ударные пятилетки.
Edited Date: 2016-01-09 05:52 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veloamator.livejournal.com
Никаких пятилеток не будет, всё закончится в конце 2017 года.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leo-nardo.livejournal.com
Свято место пусто не бывает.

Может люди и валят массово, но на Рублёвке такими темпами идёт застройка, что вой подняли даже Пугачёва с Галкиным.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avmalgin.livejournal.com
На Рублевке нет застройки, вас обманули.

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Date: 2016-01-09 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] putokaputo.livejournal.com
Тоже склонен думать, что это был затянувшийся НЭП.
Состояние, в общем, не естественное.
Естественное состояние России - это совок или иная форма "тюрьмы народов".
Пипл хавает.
А промежутках между сменами формаций - обязательное кровопускание, как процедура слива накопившейся дури.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] Комаричев Андрей (from livejournal.com)
И что, после НЭПа будет? Коллективизация? Кого, собственно, можно коллективизировать? Индустриализация? Новый Кузнецкстрой? Я вас умоляю. Репрессии? Кто будет репрессировать и кого? А самое главное, зачем? Какие проблемы можно решить этими способами?

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на 6:20 минуте

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From: [identity profile] av222.livejournal.com
Что они продают?
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Date: 2016-01-09 06:02 pm (UTC)
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Два варианта:
1. Государство окончательно фашизируется и появится что-то вроде нового крепостного права: сословие чиновников и остальной народ стонущий под гнётом и по лагерям.
2. Революция и перманентный ДНР/ЛНР вокруг, но после неё хоть какой-то свет в конце тоннеля.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] accuweathers.livejournal.com
2. Революция и перманентный ДНР/ЛНР вокруг, но после неё хоть какой-то свет в конце тоннеля.

Или новый большевизм и 75 лет мрака.

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Мне народ ЖЖ-ный из России, и Москвы в том числе, доказывает, что все "зашибись". Импортозамещение вот-вот буйным цветом импортозаместится, страну зауважали во всем мире, цены вполне себе доступные, магазины товаром полны. А поскольку я давно уже в России не была, то просто, дескать, издалека этого не вижу.
И ведь не поспоришь, в России я и впрямь не была более шести лет и как оно там изнутри собственными глазами не вижу.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:39 pm (UTC)
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Где товаром полны? В СПб хожу в три гипера Лента, О`кей и Карусель, вымывание ассортимента за год катастрофическое, реально скоро одно гавно будет продаваться, нет конечено не 80-е и джае не 90-е, но в сравнении с с 10-ми и любым супермаркетом в Европе убогость уже,

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] av222.livejournal.com
Профессия агентов по недвижимости становится менее востребованной?

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Date: 2016-01-14 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prostoledi.livejournal.com
Напротив, сейчас ее востребованность становится все более очевидной для тех, кто пытается продать/купить недвижимость. Во-первых, переизбыток информации - взять тот же авито, где один объект представлен десятками, а то и сотнями объявлений. В голове полная каша... Во-вторых, агенты по недвижимости потихоньку превращаются из профанов в специалистов. Появляются те, кто осознает истинную суть этой профессии и несет людям помощь, а не просто занимается выкачиванием денег. Хотя последних, к сожалению, больше, что и заставляет людей сомневаться - а нужно ли мне платить за услугу, которой нет?

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minsk007.livejournal.com
а куда едут потом?

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avmalgin.livejournal.com
Известные мне, - в Испанию, Италию и Францию. Про остальных не знаю.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notabler.livejournal.com
Это жалко, очень. У нас в Литве, когда благодаря российской цене на газ, втрое превышающей немецкую, центральное отопление стало стоить очень дорого. многие наоборот перебрались на дачи насовсем, избавились от квартир, чтобы получить желанную автономность от властей, хотя бы от скачков цен на теплоносители.

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Date: 2016-01-09 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valroma.livejournal.com
А как сейчас у вас? Терминал по приему газа построили, электрический кабель из Швеции проложили. Для людей коммуналка не подешевела?

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kolemik.livejournal.com
Вот у меня друзья прикупили готовый коттедж на вторичке, я тоже присматриваю… средний класс остаётся - просто смена состава игроков.

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djatlov-y.livejournal.com
Бугага.
Ну, безумству храбрых.

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Молодцы что продают, государство национализирует рано или поздно, по крайней мере теперь опасения появились. И квартирки московские национализирует, а москвичи и не пикнут).

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Date: 2016-01-09 06:54 pm (UTC)
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Уплотнят таджикскими гастарбайтерами.
Скажут, надо проявить толерантность, а то они здесь и так за копейки пашут.
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Date: 2016-01-09 06:41 pm (UTC)
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Интересная публикация про погром среднего класса в России
http://www.aboutru.com/2016/01/22611/

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Date: 2016-01-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
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«Грядет реальный бунт среднего класса, который пустили под нож»
«80 процентов россиян через 1,5 - 2 года окажутся в состоянии хронической бедноты», — считает известный экономист Владислав Жуковский. В интервью «БИЗНЕС Online» он поделился своими крайне мрачными рассуждениями о том, что нынешний кризис в России самый серьезный со времен гражданской войны, а нынешний экономический курс только ускоряет «гибель «Титаника». При этом надежд на то, что нефть опять подорожает и все будет по-прежнему, практически нет.

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